tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post7889140166049492784..comments2024-03-15T12:10:59.290-04:00Comments on à l'allure garçonnière: the politics of vintage: part onejulia aka garconnierehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10071915180423432468noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-53055323558554122682021-11-15T17:41:37.790-05:002021-11-15T17:41:37.790-05:00تعتبر شركة انوار الحرمين من أفضل شركات نقل العفش ب...<br />تعتبر شركة انوار الحرمين من أفضل شركات نقل العفش بالمملكة لنقل العفش. تقديم خدمات مميزة فى نقل الاثاث ولكن تتميز شركتنا بان لدينا فك وتركيب وتغليف الاثاث وتعقيمه قبل عملية نقل العفش.<br /><br /><a href="https://www.shipping-sa.com/2011/11/Transfer-Furniture-Riyadh.html" rel="nofollow">شركة نقل عفش بالرياض</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.shipping-sa.com/2020/03/Transfer-Furniture-in-Taif.html" rel="nofollow">شركة نقل عفش بالطائف</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.shipping-sa.com/2020/09/Transfer-Furniture-in-Tabuk.html" rel="nofollow">شركة نقل عفش بتبوك</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.shipping-sa.com/2020/09/Transfer-Furniture-in-JAZAN.html" rel="nofollow">شركة نقل عفش بجازان</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.shipping-sa.com/2020/09/Transfer-Furniture-in-ALJUBAIL.html" rel="nofollow">شركة نقل عفش بالجبيل</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.shipping-sa.com/2020/09/Transfer-Furniture-in-ALEHSAA.html" rel="nofollow">شركة نقل عفش بالاحساء</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.shipping-sa.com/2020/09/Transfer-Furniture-in-ALKHOBAR.html" rel="nofollow">شركة نقل عفش بالخبر</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.shipping-sa.com/2020/06/Transfer-Furniture-Medina.html" rel="nofollow">شركة نقل عفش بالمدينة</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.shipping-sa.com/2020/09/Transfer-Furniture-in-KhamisMushait.html" rel="nofollow">شركة نقل عفش بخميس مشيط</a><br /><br /><a href="https://www.shipping-sa.com/2019/10/moving-furniture-from-Jeddah-to-Hafr-Al-Batin.html" rel="nofollow">شركة نقل عفش بحفر الباطن</a><br /><br />Tarek Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854932415280406249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-47943797735114851032019-07-14T03:02:20.677-04:002019-07-14T03:02:20.677-04:00Shadow Creation is the process to change the color...Shadow Creation is the process to change the color of an image or video..<b><a rel="nofollow">Shadow Creation </a></b> It means correcting the lighting, white color balance, red or blue color balance, so that the image looks more clear or naturalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-12800506481879657592017-03-13T12:04:51.432-04:002017-03-13T12:04:51.432-04:00This is very good site filehippo gom player I enj...This is very good site <a href="http://filehippopc.com/download-free-gom-player-filehippo-2-3-9-5265" rel="nofollow">filehippo gom player</a> I enjoyed it.john heatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01606758747474296803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-17940207916299364612016-12-07T13:59:26.079-05:002016-12-07T13:59:26.079-05:00دائماً ما نسمع أن الكثير من الناس يبحثون عن شركة ...دائماً ما نسمع أن الكثير من الناس يبحثون عن <a href="http://www.masa7.com/%D8%B4%D8%B1%D9%83%D8%A9-%D9%86%D9%82%D9%84-%D8%B9%D9%81%D8%B4-%D8%A8%D8%AC%D8%AF%D8%A9/" rel="nofollow"> شركة نقل عفش بجدة</a> ولكن الأهم فى هذا الأمر أن تحصُل فى النهاية على خدمة تتسم بالكفائة العالية , حيث تعتبر الشركة السعودية كبرى الشركات التى تهتم بتريمي الأثاث ومحتويات العفش المنزلية أولي الشركة التى تقدم خدمات رخيصة حتى أصبحت <a href="http://www.masa7.com/%D8%B4%D8%B1%D9%83%D8%A9-%D9%86%D9%82%D9%84-%D8%B9%D9%81%D8%B4-%D8%A8%D8%AC%D8%AF%D8%A9/" rel="nofollow"> ارخص شركة نقل عفش بجدة</a><br />فعملية البحث عن شركة تقوم بنقل العفش والأثاث ليست مهمة صعبة , ولكن الأصعب أن تكون قد أخترت وحددت الهدف المناسب سواء من ناحية الأسعار الرخيصة أو من خلال كفاءة الخدمة التى ستحصل عليها , فشركتنا أصبحت من <a href="http://www.masa7.com/%D8%B4%D8%B1%D9%83%D8%A9-%D9%86%D9%82%D9%84-%D8%B9%D9%81%D8%B4-%D8%A8%D8%AC%D8%AF%D8%A9/" rel="nofollow"> ارخص شركات نقل العفش بجدة</a> فنحن نُقدم لكم خدمات متميزة لا مثيل لها .Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14160432897284544653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-90090186047436447752016-11-14T12:57:51.482-05:002016-11-14T12:57:51.482-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.شركة الماسةhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12757084700073747491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-12683024228991151262010-02-24T22:19:02.953-05:002010-02-24T22:19:02.953-05:00So I found your blog through Anna (If the Sok Fitz...So I found your blog through Anna (If the Sok Fitz) and... ARE YOU FROM BELLEVILLE??? Because I am from there too and it would just be exciting to find another smart/cool/fashionable person who is from Belleville since it's such a shit town.<br /><br />PS - I'm actually from Ameliasburgh in Prince Edward County, but I went to high school and Belleville. And I live in Waterloo now.Isabelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13416033297733865461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-52555164469098693002010-02-09T21:54:36.237-05:002010-02-09T21:54:36.237-05:00you could not possibly understand the joy at comin...you could not possibly understand the joy at coming back to this entry to see all of these new comments. thanks so much for sharing your thoughts! you guys are awesome.<br /><br />sarah: you may not have come to a conclusion but you certainly stirred up a lot of thoughts. thanks for reading and contributing.<br /><br />heather: 100%! choice choice choice. that sums up a lot of my feelings about feminism.<br /><br />threadbared: i'm incredibly flattered. i absolutely adore what you guys do with your blog! my jaw dropped when a friend of mine forwarded it along to me. thanks for adding me to your blog roll (i'll add you to mine once i have this whole new layout figured out)<br /><br />meg: i know! i also hate how much time is wasted in discussions about feminism and fashion when we have to defend, defend, defend. it's really refreshing to see all of these conversations popping up on the internet, since unfortunately i haven't been hearing too many in the real world. <br /><br />glove slap: AMEN SISTER. you are so dead on. <br /><br />jenny: ah! i am so glad you found me too! i just spent a good half our reading your blog, it's really wonderful.julia aka garconnierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10071915180423432468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-36050691698367236102010-02-09T00:05:51.549-05:002010-02-09T00:05:51.549-05:00Hi hi, I'm so so so happy to have find your bl...Hi hi, I'm so so so happy to have find your blog via my pals over at Threadbared and The Renegade Bean. This was such a thoughtful, eloquent essay on wearing vintage and the politics of vintage. I like the idea of moving away from defensiveness and moving away from, 'who cares, get over yourself' attitude that irks me so much, and moving into the realm of community and sharing and exploring and being unafraid to be critical about something whilst loving it to pieces. <br /><br />JennyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-91594051411540157212010-02-04T15:47:35.731-05:002010-02-04T15:47:35.731-05:00I think it'd be great if I were wearing a vint...I think it'd be great if I were wearing a vintage '50's dress and someone asked me how it felt to be wearing something from an oppressive time period. Cause then we could have a conversation about how the present is an oppressive time period. We could talk about who is oppressed (and what is exploited) in order to produce, advertise, purvey, and consume clothes that were made just yesterday.Glove Slaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16875540891770525708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-83962925978898518172010-02-04T14:50:09.197-05:002010-02-04T14:50:09.197-05:00I'm happy to see this, and all of the backlash...I'm happy to see this, and all of the backlash/commentary from so many other smart fashion-y ladies in the blogosphere...<br /><br />while not about vintage specifically, it astounds me how many folks who consider themselves "feminist" or "into sociology" etc are so effing dismissive of fashion -- like Threadbared also complained, there's something incredibly marginalizing, obstuse, and straight-out inobservant about it. I'm so tired of hearing that 'it's just a dress,' it's just makeup, it's just self expression, there's nothing more to it, it's just CLOTHES, people -- which we all know is for stupid little girls playing with dolls, and even worse than that, stupid little rich white girls. the horror! I'm glad to see so many people talking about these more complex issues and thinking about how it goes beyond that & has wider social significance.<br /><br />meg // morningmidnight.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-60436668957637227682010-02-02T19:59:41.050-05:002010-02-02T19:59:41.050-05:00This is a wonderful post responding to some of the...This is a wonderful post responding to some of the comments that distressed, annoyed, etc., me as well (as the original poster of those selections on Threadbared). My relationship to vintage is filtered through my punk rock past, so I completely understand the "hairy armpits and '40s day dress" aesthetic! I can't wait to hear more from you on your politics of vintage; meanwhile, I've been lazy about following up (or overworked, whatever), but here's a back-and-forth conversation I had with my collaborator Minh-Ha about shopping, <a href="http://threadbared.blogspot.com/2010/01/shopping-with-threadbared.html" rel="nofollow"> a big chunk of which has to do with vintage</a>. <br /><br />P.S. If I may, I'd like to excerpt some of your response in a post.threadbaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17863128628231981059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-8377534112786761532010-01-31T00:21:38.594-05:002010-01-31T00:21:38.594-05:00Beautifully put. I couldn't agree more.Beautifully put. I couldn't agree more.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10294414614169200852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-89737460481270108812010-01-26T16:36:53.321-05:002010-01-26T16:36:53.321-05:00To me, feminism should be more focused on choice. ...To me, feminism should be more focused on choice. In other words, women should be able to CHOOSE what they want to wear, who they want to be and what they want to do. If that involves wearing vintage clothing, then what's the big deal? <br />I often feel that we are paying homage to the women of yesteryear by wearing their clothing, & providing a contrast. "Look girls, you wore this because it was conventional, & now I can wear it too, & it isn't."Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18085662122897002714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-11224327661750114462010-01-23T07:43:14.988-05:002010-01-23T07:43:14.988-05:00Hmm....Interesting stuff indeed. I wear vintage be...Hmm....Interesting stuff indeed. I wear vintage because I prefere the craftsmanship and the particular cuts and fabrics over what is new today. <br />With that in mind, I am not averse to repro clothing because for me it is mostly about the aesthetic. For the same reasons Andi wears vintage - I like knee length dresses with full skirts and nipped in waists. <br /><br />I think it's a positive thing that these fashions are so popular (in some circles) today and wearing them brings to light these questions. We recognise that the 50's weren't ideal times for women and even this current decade isn't. Being aware of the past allows awareness of the present. In some way I would say wearing vintage reinforces the feminist stance and the fact we have CHOICE in the way we dress every day.<br /><br />I don't think by wearing a 50's dress we are doing a disservice to feminism.<br /><br />:-DKittyMeowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08234505506035303913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-10837452877417150872010-01-22T19:27:12.674-05:002010-01-22T19:27:12.674-05:00Wow, very interesting stuff !
OK I’ll take a shot ...Wow, very interesting stuff !<br />OK I’ll take a shot at not being dismissive then… I used to wear a lot more vintage than I do now, partly due to I guess normal style evolution over time, partly because I find it harder to identify with it. <br /><br />Is wearing fashion from an oppressive time period a symbol of that oppression ? is a tricky one, I think it’s both yes and no. But it’s not so much the ‘oppression from back then’ that I’m concerned about, it’s more to do with some parts of the modern take on vintage. There are many reasons why we like vintage, and depending on people the personal stories about how we ‘got into it’, the uniqueness, originality, cheapness, lifestyle, more-fun-than-the-mall, ancient vibes, style-expertise-display factors, etc, can all play a part. Also, ideas about the female gender are central to some vintage lovers – and that’s the part that puzzles me. <br /><br />One tendency that I find suspect is the body shape bias coupled with a discourse on the “naturalness” of certain bodies versus others. I left a comment regarding this issue on (www.queensofvintage.com/the-shape-of-things-to-come) this post, about gender/body constructions . <br /><br />Next to “naturalness”, I’ve noticed references to “genuine” or “authentic” or being a “real woman” (as opposed to… not being one? lol). It’s not just silly, it’s also strongly questionable. <br /><br />And to me it gets off-limits when that “real woman” bit gets articulated with a nostalgic discourse on lost glamour and beauty and posture and elegance and baking and being a domestic goddess and what not… That’s the “women looked after themselves a lot more and this is so inspiring…” argument. Yes they did, because they had a much stronger social obligation to do so. They had less of a say in what they could do and be. And there was nothing glamorous about that. <br /><br />Plus it’s hard to separate that from social class. Those “beautiful women of the 1950s” who are “so inspiring” are by no means the median women next door of their era. And they are usually not the women who fought on our behalf on the road to equality either. <br /><br />I think one major difference today is that we have a more playful approach to fashion, to the point where even those who enjoy going for demanding purist vintage looks actually consider it a fun thing. Women back then were on a completely different track and I find it hard to revel in that, even if its aesthetics happens to be pleasing. The movie Coco avant Chanel is interesting in that sense. <br /><br />Long post… and I’ve not reached any kind of conclusion… sorry for my rambling & I’m looking forward to reading your part 2Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337006564596484347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-67368561498631149932010-01-22T18:10:42.387-05:002010-01-22T18:10:42.387-05:00eli: oooo great suggestion. i really, really enjoy...eli: oooo great suggestion. i really, really enjoyed the question of value. but some of his stuff is very elitist and classist, and could be interesting to unpack... like the comments about the "worthless clothing" people think of as important that they try to sell to him. food for thought! and on the note of food, at the end of the interview, you can tell he has serious food issues. anyway. thanks for the suggestion!<br /><br />hannah: yeah, i completely agree re: expectations. my fashion sense is generally fuck the rules, and all about contradictions and i like that it throws people off. i used to be a bit averse to vintage culture because at times it feels as though you don't have the perfect hair and makeup to go with the dress, you don't belong. but every subculture has that tendency, i find. everyone finds their fit in one way or another!<br /><br />if you're interested in digging up more vintage, i highly recommend a zine by amelia, doublespeak.etsy.com. i think it's in issue 3, but there is a lot of great advice about how to build and maintain a good vintage warddrobe.julia aka garconnierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10071915180423432468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-47637316853281662982010-01-22T16:33:25.059-05:002010-01-22T16:33:25.059-05:00This was a really great post!
I see what you'...This was a really great post!<br /><br />I see what you're saying about wearing vintage but mixing it up with little makeup and not shaving etc. I sometimes feel like it's expected you'll do the whole retro hair/makeup/accessories thing as well and i don't think that's the point. <br /><br />I only own a couple of bits of 'vintage', partly because i live somewhere where second hand shops have nothing but low-end high street workwear from ten years ago and plain t-shirts, but i'd love to explore it more.Hannah Mudgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367085612049349757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-48542879058825870512010-01-22T12:01:44.539-05:002010-01-22T12:01:44.539-05:00you should read the article on Fashionista where t...you should read the article on Fashionista where they interview Cameron Silver the owner of the Decades vintage boutiqueElihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08626323070081159883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-5628755403132701762009-12-21T13:49:37.990-05:002009-12-21T13:49:37.990-05:00this looks like soooo much fun;)this looks like soooo much fun;)Biancahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03488662608507492378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-87960219787482325742009-12-17T01:27:28.861-05:002009-12-17T01:27:28.861-05:00See, for me, it IS about wearing what is 'flat...See, for me, it IS about wearing what is 'flattering'. At least, in part. Not necessarily to look thin or pretty to others but so that when I look in the mirror I can see that everything I like best about my body is accentuated. (for the record that includes not being able to see my knees, that my waist is accentuated and I especially like my hips looking quite round.) And only vintage, or vintage styled, clothes do that for me. Well, 1940s and 1950s. The 1920s and some 1960s clothes just make me look terrible and ridiculous.<br /><br /><br />But it's also about being different. I don't think too much about the politics because I'm just not a politically minded person, in general, but since I was a teenager I've definitely tried to be 'different' than the 'norm'. I, too, had my baggy pants and little kids t-shirts phase, I had my 'emo' phase before it was popular...then there was vintage. Maybe I'm a fuddy duddy or what have you but I like to wear the clothes in the style that they were originally intended to be worn - that is, I like to accessorise with things that are also of that era (as you well know). There's just a lot of fun in recreating that entire look for me. I suppose, in some ways, you could say I'm limiting myself but I don't feel limited. I may not have created the style entirely but I've chosen it for myself. I didn't pick up a current issue of whatever fashion magazine is trendy to have on hand - I watched a whole bunch of old movies, looked at vintage communities on LJ, google searched images, etc. and put together looks from that.<br />But I have come to accept that people wear vintage (as all clothes) differently. I do get a little bit sad when I see someone take up 1950s dresses and make them into mini-dresses, though...I can be very precious about that sort of thing but that's not entirely on topic.<br /><br />I did a little bit of thinking about this sort of thing when I was taking my photos, this year, but most of the time it's just fun to dress the way I do and I don't feel comfortable any other way.<br /><br />-Andi xAndi B. Goodehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02332787961396491990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-80932018738556818222009-12-17T00:53:09.935-05:002009-12-17T00:53:09.935-05:00i love worn! i have a few issues i picked up in mo...i love worn! i have a few issues i picked up in montreal this summer. really good. thanks for your comment.<br /><br />i completely agree with your points; the main problem with the jezebel comment is that we all wear different things for different reasons, just as many of us could wear the same t-shirt and each of us could have a different reason for wearing it, liking it, buying it, etc. i don't think people really want to acknowledge how many ideas we can unpack here, it's kind of mind-boggling.<br /><br />in regards to the "flattering" conundrum; when shopping with my sisters, they will often make blunt comments like "that makes your ass look big" to which i respond, "my ass IS big." the response is often, "well, it doesn't flatter you" but people don't realize how subjective that is! <br /><br />when asked for opinions or giving compliments, i tend to lean towards compliments more like, "it suits you" as opposed to "it flatters you." the fact of the matter is some colours look better on some people, and is more "flattering" but that word is so tied up in body politics that i don't necessarily want to engage in...<br /><br />and i think you're really onto something with the inherent joy of wearing clothes. when thinking about these questions of my own relationship to vintage, it almost always comes down to how i feel in them, or how they made me feel. there is a lot to be said about that simple yet super complex feeling.julia aka garconnierehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10071915180423432468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6359847749721134501.post-12509060392959080602009-12-17T00:20:57.117-05:002009-12-17T00:20:57.117-05:00Well as somebody who doesn't wear that much vi...Well as somebody who doesn't wear that much vintage (with the exception of some thrift - oh, and my prom dress was from the 50s, for what it's worth) I don't have a ton to say or add to this post, but it was an enriching read. There was something a little off topic that stuck out with me, with that Jezebel comment:<br />"I think we wear what we think is flattering on ourselves."<br />All I can say is: no. Not at all. At least not for me, and not for my friends.<br />I work for an independent fashion magazine (http://wornjournal.com pluggity plug plug) and we actually had this conversation today. All too often flattering = being as thin as possible (and while that may not be what the jezebel commenter was getting at, all you have to do is open up Elle magazine or watch What Not To Wear to see them recommend "flattering, slimming, boot cut jeans"). <br />At the very least, "flattering" tends to imply "looking conventionally attractive" or "looking good to others." And I hate the idea of getting dressed up in order to be pretty. For me, personal style is about self expression, exploring different ideas (like when you were talking about contextualizing vintage clothing), pushing myself to take creative risks, and at the very least being practical (so sue me if I want to wear baggy jeans and a sweatshirt during finals week!)<br />I wish more magazines/publications/blogs/whatever would take to ascribing wearing clothes for the inherent joy of wearing clothes, and not to wear something just because it will make you look good to others. Worn is pretty good about that. Again, not trying to plug. Just saying.AFitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05613780883221764802noreply@blogger.com